Coffee in SE23

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I think @StDavid is the only place in town that acheives a velvety texture in their flat whites. Mamma Dough was also pretty good, from memory.


Probably worthy of a coffee snobbery thread.

Had to look up the new fangled term but this really just relates to my own coffee aspiration which is to recreate Italian coffee (though perhaps strictly speaking without the milk) - by this I mean good coffee as found in Italy.

So who manages that? Well, from my own tests around Honor Oak: Le Querce, Cafe G, Arlo and Moe, Norris and Knight.

It is a bit harsh to slag off Provender coffee on that basis IMO, especially as it is something that is a lot better than before and better than many other places which are still of a good standard. Agreed with the other comments though.

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Recently had a latte at Aga’s Little Deli and it was the finest I’d had in Forest Hill.

I had a cappuccino from there and it was the same consistency as a Costa latte… Just milky coffee

If we still had a Macy’s dees on the high street, cofee wouldn’t be a problem

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“Third-wave coffee”…? - oh, please! Another horrible, manufactured, hipster conceit.

I’m sure that any average bar in Italy or Spain - or anywhere on the Continent for that matter - takes great pride in the fact that they serve coffee in a “third-wave” style…NOT.

I just want to be able to order and enjoy a decent cup of coffee - of whatever stripe - at a decent price. I don’t care if it’s third wave, Short Wave or permanent wave.


What are some other ones?

Correct, if you want your coffee too taste like average Italian / Spanish coffee then you have been well catered to since Starbucks hit these shores.

Fair enough, where do you recommend then?

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Touched a nerve?

I’m afraid that if you believe that Starbucks is equivalent to even the most humble of Continental cafes then we obviously have very different tastes.

Le Querce (as said earlier) do a very decent cup, and the odd time that I’ve dropped into Arlo & Moe’s I’ve not been disappointed.


I judge my lattes on whether I need to add sweetener or not, I like a sweeter coffee. St. Davids is good, Archie Parkers is very good and only beaten by Dose in Farringdon and Host Cafe in the Church off Bow Lane. Their lattes are sublime.

Best Coffee in SE23? The cup I make on a Monday morning at home!
I don’t drink coffee out much these days - I find caffeine has more of an effect on me than it used to so I only ever drink coffee in the morning. I have a Gaggia Titanium bean to cup machine and it makes a decent brew - in fact it has made over 9000 brews so far. It is getting a little wonky these days so looking to replace it at some point but not sure what with…


We have a deLonghi Eletta bean-to-cup that automatically froths and dispenses milk. Not as adjustable as I would like but still makes excellent coffee. My problem is that it should really go back to deLonghi for regular servicing but I can’t bear to let it go!

There was a review of bean-to-cup machines recently that highly rated the Sage machine. You can adjust all the settings on that so it’s more like a bean grinder and traditional machine combined that a fully automated bean-to-cup.

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I think the novelty of coffee in Europe while on holiday or away with work adds a lot to the experience. I also don’t think that you can fairly separate the coffee from the total experience.

I’d rather have an OK espresso after cycling up a mountain in the Alps, or a bad expresso in Vienna than an amazing coffee in St David’s.

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wonders if Nick is between me and FOH


On the Hoof at HOP station does the best in Honor Oak for my money.

A tip for anyone who likes frothy coffee, cocoa or drinking chocolate etc.
Throw away all those expensive coffee machines and use this.
An empty 6 pint plastic milk container from Sainsbury’s.
Add milky coffee or cocoa into the empty container and shake until your heart’s content.
Empty liquid into mug.
You will have the throthiest hot milkiest drink all the way to the very last sip.
It doesn’t go flat.

p.s must be the 6 pint container, as it allows more room and air once shaken. The others are too small and the liquid explodes everywhere. Believe me I know.


So I don’t drink caffeine but love coffee. I love St David’s BUT they won’t do decaffeinated coffee because they say they could only do that if they spent several thousand pounds on another coffee grinder which they aren’t prepared to do. This makes me sigh a lot.

So I have to go elsewhere (although occasionally their bacon sandwiches get the better of me).

My other local bugbear is when coffee shops/stalls run out of decaffeinated coffee when they would NEVER run out of normal coffee. This makes me rant quite regularly so sorry if you have to be in the queue behind me when that happens.

Where do you think does the best decaf coffee in SE23? Ignoring the fact that for many of you this won’t actually count as coffee at all…

Aga’s is very good. The Station is good. But where am I missing?


My favourite Nespresso is the decaff lungo, I go for the taste, not the caffeine as it has little or no effect on me anyway. Archie Parker usually do decaf…

Not really. I was wondering if you would say ‘craft beer’ was also another horrible, manufactured, hipster conceit.

I don’t think Starbucks is the same as continental coffee, but as soon as it became clear you could sell an espresso based drink for £2 many cafes bought machines and started pumping out Illy, and this is definitely coffee similar to that sold at average continental places. Tbh personally I don’t think Starbucks is that different to Illy.

Arlo and Moe is great… their roaster could definitely be described at 3rd wave though. I’ve never seen it used as a marketing term, but do think it captures something real.

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Great question. My mind is open on this one. While I enjoy many ‘craft beers’ am not convinced that they all deserve the price tag, so there could be some similarities here.

My own opinion of Starbucks is pretty low. I think that Illy is a world away from this but that is just the coffee. How it is served is also crucial and in that sense ‘third wave’ appears pretty similar to the ‘Italian way’ to me. We use Illy at home and get a great result - in a different league to Starbucks.

My favourite thing about Starbucks is how reliable it is. When I need a coffee I can go there for a (freshly poured over) filter coffee or an americano and it’s guaranteed to be OK. I would prefer to live in a world where I could find better than OK.

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