Forest Hill Pools: Greenwich Leisure Limited to take over management (previously Fusion)

GLL will be taking over the contract from Fusion.

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Interesting. My son was working there as a lifeguard and they were decent enough to furlough him. I wonder if he can reapply or if they’ll sort out some kind of handover.

In other news(shopper) does anyone know where the casino is?

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Interesting - this is the same company that Islington Council helped out in May.

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They make over £300million a year - but can’t be bothered to create a pdf that is searchable - not sure what they are hiding (MD makes 210k - but that doesn’t seem obscene). They do appear to be paying a large amount of pension money to past employees (presumably directors - not the people doing the work)

https://mutuals.fca.org.uk/Search/Society/5175

Well clearly bad news for those employed by fusion who will now lose their jobs, though hopefully some will be rehired.

Fusion appeared to have a poor reputation so hopefully this will be a positive change - FH pools really should be something that is a highlight for the area,

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I was hoping for Everyone Active because that would give us access to centres across southwark as well :-1:

If you get a swimming membership with Better then you’ll now be able to use crystal palace and Charlton lido as well as FH pools.

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In a pre-covid world when a service contract is moved to a new provider then the employees of the original provider should be covered by TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings Protection of Employment). Under this the new provider has a legal obligation to honour the existing terms and conditions of employment (except pensions) for any current staff that wish to transfer to the new provider. However as @clausy mentioned that Fusion furloughed the staff I don’t know if this affects the application of TUPE.

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I didn’t realise TUPE worked in this circumstance.

I suspect whatever happens some staff will be made redundant, I wonder if the council are absorbing those costs as part of the deal or will subsidise keeping them on.

Despite its unpromising name, the News Shopper seems to be the best (only?) source of authoritative info about what’s going on in the Council. Lewisham’s website is still saying that Fusion is getting ready to “bounce back” in Forest Hill.

Looks like I should be emailing Grainne Cuffe (local democracy reporter) rather than our councillors if I want the low-down on anything local.

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853 is also a good source, with a few less adverts. Gráinne Cuffe has a similar article there too:

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https://www.fusion-lifestyle.com/centres/forest-hill-pools/news/update-on-the-lewisham-leisure-facilities/

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To be clear that is turnover not profit…
It is is a non-profit charitable Social Enterprise organisation

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@foresthillnick My point was they can’t be that well organised if within that £300million they can’t find £100 for a decent pdf editor - or they do it intentionally to hide things (difficult to tell because I couldn’t search the pdf!)
Their annual statement is quite difficult to read because it is a mess of sub-companies (which I guess comes with the territory)
Charity doesn’t always mean moral (even if they are usually set up with good intent) so it always worth having a look to see that they are well run. The obvious alternative is for Lewisham to run the centres - but maybe having a London based group of centres gives economies of scale (though this is only London based - it operates throughout the UK)

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Are you talking about the ‘Annual Return and Accounts.pdf’ on the link you shared earlier? I can search it fine using Preview on Mac. I had a quick look through it, they’re fully audited, although that doesn’t say much either these days!

Interesting suggestion to have Lewisham running the centres given how much people generally moan about the council doing anything themselves - seems like outsourcing is just as imperfect.

I know it’s small, but their lack of attention to detail on announcements like this really annoys me, it was clearly pasted from elsewhere where Fusion were being talked about in the third person and someone forgot to adjust it. :put_litter_in_its_place:

Also, what other areas of the the business do they have to focus on? Do they mean specifically the operating model they agreed to with Lewisham, but have different ones elsewhere?

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@clausy Only the bit added by the FCA is searchable - the bit with the real content isn’t.
Audited just means a true and fair view, it doesn’t give judgement calls on eg whether the MD should get paid £2million + private jet
I’m not a big a fan of outsourcing monopolies (which a lot of council functions are) to private companies, though I appreciate there are potentials for genuine savings in some areas. (There is also potential for just paying extra money to private companies)

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GLL actually have a good graphic design department, although somewhat ironically it is outsourced! OH used to work there but not for them. They are obviously perfectly capable of producing a text PDF but have chosen to send an image based one to Companies House et al.
Here linked from their own site is their financial statement for 2018 - fully searchable.

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They do have different models.

Some councils pay the outsourced provider a fee to run the centres; others expect the provider to pay them a fee

thank you! its my dream to swim at Crystal place but sadly I can only swim in water I can stand up in!
one day…

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