Pavement cycling

There are a pair of adults (two middle aged men) who have been cycling two abreast on pavements across Honor Oak and Ladywell. Minor issue you might think, but I literally was forced off the pavement as a pedestrian into the path of an oncoming bus last week on Stondon Park and then again a few days later in Ladywell. The police don’t seem to care about enforcing pavement cycling regulations (and neither incidents were on a shared cycling/pedestrian route). It’s more than annoying, it’s really dangerous.

Is there anything recommended to do? I did actually try and speak calmly to them the second time it happened and they laughed at me, but I don’t want to get run over by a bus and am pretty concerned that elderly neighbours would struggle to get out of the way.

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It’s driving me mad. Adults should never cycle on the pavement. I can only assume we are getting a lot of people taking up cycling as a result of lockdown who are unaware of the rules or do not care.

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I am fine with an adult cycling slowly on the pavement if they are with a young child, but the adults cycling on the pavement I wish something was done about that, especially now with young children it’s potentially very dangerous.

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Cylists on pavements is a problem at the best of times. Now it’s even more selfish and dangerous.

I fear that these Experimental Traffic orders that @ChrisBeach as drawn our attention to can only make things worse. What are cyclists going to do in this example - top left photo?

The pavement there is already cluttered with bike stands. Imagine bikes parked there. Where will cyclists choose to go at this modified junction?

There’s too much talk in decision makers’ circles about pedestrians and cyclists as if their needs are the same and too much talk about “shared spaces”. They don’t work. Try walking along a busy canal towpath nowadays (even without the fear of Covid-19) or in parts of Peckham, to see how these shared spaces don’t work for pedestrians.

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I nearly got mown down by a male cyclist on the pavement in woolstone Road last week. I had passed him in his drive on Kilmorie Road getting his bike sorted and putting his helmet in etc but though no more about it until he was right behind me at a point on woolstone where there is a massive tree in the pavement so it’s much narrower. Totally unlawful and a breach is social distancing rules. I am afraid I shouted at him. He shot off at a great speed , still down the pavement. Incredibly dangerous. Frankly if an adult is too scaredy to cycle on the road in all their Lycra then they shouldn’t be cycling. I’m a cyclist and although I have cycled on the pavement sometimes to avoid a dangerous situation or make use of a short cut, I ALWAYS dismount for pedestrians. There’s far too much of this around at the moment yet the roads are, on the whole, much quieter. Woolstone and Kilmorie were both completely empty when this guy nearly ran into me!

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I wonder how this guy would behave as a motorist? Would he expect slower and more vulnerable road users to shoo out of his way? Probably. As a motorist he’d want to shoo away the slower cyclists, as a cyclist he’d want to shoo away pedestrians, as a pedestrian he’d want to shoo away those slower pedestrians who might have walking or balance problems.

It’s this “out of my way, I’m coming through and I’m so very important” attitude that makes me want to shout.

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Absolutely agree. Although I bet if he ever does cycle on the road he’d be the first to complain about motorists behaving badly to cyclists!

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I’d do what I always do and get in front of the car and take my place in the ASL box thing.
Unfortunately they are often taken up by cars who arrive both legally and illegally and motorcyclists who seem to think they can use them too.

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Motorcyclist and cars can use them if they’re blocked by traffic ahead. Cyclist and motorcyclists also have the same safety issues when at junctions but bikers aren’t offered this option. But as someone who uses all three modes of transport I get the frustrations from all points of view, but it’s normally down to the few who think they own the road wether it’s pedal or engine power.

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Technically being blocked by traffic is not an excuse to be in the box

https://www.askthe.police.uk/Content/Q806.htm

“Drivers (including motorcyclists and scooter riders) should avoid blocking/encroaching onto the marked area at other times e.g. when the junction is blocked.”
I believe this ASL boxes are only at traffic lights so it is the state of the lights that affects if an offense is committed.

If the traffic lights are on red, drivers (including motorcyclists and scooter riders) must not cross the first stop line - if they do they could liable to a £100 fixed penalty and three penalty points on their driving license.
If the lights change from green to amber as a driver (including motorcyclists and scooter riders) approaches but they cannot safely stop before the first stop line, they can cross the first line but must stop before the second stop line. In these circumstances it is not an offence to stop in the marked area.

That was my point if they’re being blocked with lights on green. If it’s on red and you’re filtering then no you shouldn’t park there

Whenever I’m confronted by an oncoming cyclist on the pavement I go out of my way to cause an obstruction while loudly informing them that children ride on the pavement, not grown adults.

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Maximum legal age at which you can ride on the pavement is 10. Maybe they are just immature or childish??

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It’s only going to get worse I fear. Round my way, people just seem to do as they please. The roads seem like a playground for 2 wheel and 4 wheel boy racers. Cannabis smoked in plain sight, electric scooters on pavements, cars (not just bikes) can be seen going the wrong way up the one way street I live on. I have lived here 5 years now. Unless there is an incident of some description the police are entirely absent. Frankly, I intend moving away in the not too distant future.

You need to be careful though. The amount of knives there are out there.

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Yeah, I don’t do that as I’m not keen on provoking a reaction and they are both bigger than me.

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I have ridden a bike ever since I arrived in London - but I drive, walk and take public transport too!
Unfortunately for a long time I was a nightmare on a bike - I blame it on being a cycle courier for 3.5 years and it took me a long time to lose my terrible habits. I rode where I wanted to go and treated traffic laws as mere guidelines - basically a bike punk!
Naturally as a mature, older and wiser chap I don’t do any of it any more and haven’t done for a long time although I still knock out 4000 miles a year. I think like some reformed smokers I am more anti than a lot of people and I do call out riders I see who blindly flout the rules of the road.
Do I pop up on a pavement every now and then - yes - if there is no one around and needs be. I might even sneak very slowly through a red light if the roads are deserted…
Cyclists are always going to get heat from certain sectors of the population but I hate when we don’t help ourselves and I esp hate it when we put others at risk. I think people ride on the pavement as they don’t feel safe on the road or don’t have the skills and awareness needed to do so safely.
They should just put their bikes away or learn how to ride properly and safely on the road. It can be dangerous and it isn’t for everyone… Just like driving a car!

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It can be a bit chicken and egg too though - how do you get the confidence to cycle on the road if you don’t have the confidence to cycle on the road? Starting on London streets isn’t exactly the easiest either. The ‘cycle busses’ (Is that what they were called? The organised and escorted groups for beginners and intermediates) were a great idea, but not very friendly to motorists (or sometimes pedestrians and other cyclists) if you get caught up in one.

I think the thing that made me a much better cyclist on roads was learning to drive, then cycling like I would drive, taking space on the road and moving predictably - so long as you can keep pace with traffic. To many cycling is an alternative to driving though, so that doesn’t help them.

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I wonder what happened to cycling proficiency tests? We had to take them at school and were then issued with little metal badges. It was a sort of mark of pride of being grown up and sensible enough to cycle on the roads.

But then we also had lessons on how to cross the road safely and to “wear something white in the night”. I imagine none of that happens now, which is a shame as I think there’s a need for it now more than ever.

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I think it happens pretty much everywhere, sadly.