School Closure Covid insanity

So, the local school has sent home an entire class due to one positive case. There are 29 more children, which means if they are to quarantine for two weeks for every positive case they could potentially be off for 58 weeks and lose an entire school year. It’s pathetic. Why not rub them all together so they all test positive at the same time so they only have to be off for a fortnight…

Numerous studies have now been published in medical journals demonstrating that school closures across the world have had very little impact on viral spread.

The disproportionate response to a virus that impacts an easily identifiable group of people (average age of 84) at the expense of education, jobs, health and mental health continues.

You cite the extremely unlikely worst case scenario regarding quarantine, but then make no mention of the extremely unlikely worst case scenario for a child contracting covid. One is designed to stop the other.

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Children contracting covid are unlikely to even show any symptoms. And the chances off a child dying from covid is so infinitesimally small tat we’d be better off equipping them with anti-lightning hats to protect them from the greater chance of being hit by it.

We need to find some stoicism, backbone and character.

6 children have died from covid in the UK all of whom had severe existing health conditions. SIX!

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I actually thought it was for more than one case.

Whilst this scenario is unlikely (each week closed), I think there is a large possibility pupils might be off for considerable amounts of time, either due to entire class or school lockdowns, or individuals with symptoms. I’m currently studying something which has to be onsite and not remote, and has exams, and I was speaking to another parent on the course (a part-time primary teacher) and we both thought we would be very luck to attend most of the course. That’s not a criticism, just the likely reality with kids in school and testing where it is.

Well there did used to be the idea of chicken pox parties, but not sure if this was myth as I never actually heard of anyone actually doing one. Anyway, disregarding the possibility of potentially getting infected twice, increasing the infection rate is not something I expect will gather much support, assuming we don’t look at the heard immunity route again.

I do remember hearing some bits on this, but then I thought there was assumed to be an effect. Do you have any links, would be interested to read.

I do think there is a misconception that middle aged people and younger are not affected, as the deaths rates are lower here. There does have to be balance in terms of what we spend \ do vs other illnesses such as cancer, heart disease etc but it’s worth remembering that this can have life changing effects on people, much of which remains unknown and does not generally appear to in widely circulated figures (I am speaking anecdotally). So I think it’s right to question the approach - we should always do this, but keep in mind deaths are not the only thing we should look at.

The other point I would make, is that if we are lucky to get a vaccine next year, things may change rapidly .

Last bit we used the government funded but teacher led https://classroom.thenational.academy/ which was brilliant last year during lockdown if your school does not have the resources for online learning - it was also easier from a parent to child relationship as teachers are speaking to kids and telling them what do. You do need a spare laptop or PC though (or Ipad I assume works also) .

Good luck!

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What a load of twaddle. I’ve seen this peddled by the national press but it’s just bad reasoning (ie ignores the fact that the prevalence of Covid is nowhere near as stable as the annual number of lightning strikes).

Maybe… it will be interesting to see what we do if the vaccine doesn’t come along.

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Chickenpox parties are not a myth. When I was a young child growing up in the 1950’s (on Shipman Road) the parents of the first local kid to get chickenpox, measles, german measles or mumps invited all the other kids round so they could get it too as these diseases were known to be innocuous in young children but dangerous to adults; just like COVID 19.
Although I suppose people had a more relaxed attitude to personal risk back then and, of course, would never have dreamed of suing anybody.

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These days you can just get the vaccine at Boots, though it’s not cheap at £140 but potentially worth it given children can also be sent home from nursery for a period if they have chickenpox.

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Interesting - thanks.Strangely siblings quite often don’t seem to get it at the same time, and in our case both got very quite different numbers of spots as such.

I suppose with chicken pox you are less likely to get it as an adult compared to covid, so the risk is smaller, if you have had it as a child anyway, so it is viewed as a good idea to get it I thought. No idea on measles etc, which I think we all get vaccines for nowdays.

As above, I thought getting chicken pox as a child was a good thing as it provided some immunity in later life to stop you getting as an adult, which is more serious (in shingles adult chicken pox or am I making that up?)

edit NHS information somewhat more reliable than my ramblings.

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Yes. The vaccine also provides that immunity.

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I remember chickenpox parties too; in North London in the 1970s it was practically compulsory.

I remember having mumps, and all the neighbours kids were sent round. It was a pragmatic way of supplementing the available vaccines, saying a) this group has been socialising, so they probably already have it, and b) it saved on childcare to get siblings out of school at one go, preferably the neighbours kids too. Pooled childcare allowed mothers to take turns going to work while the other minded the kids.

Currently available vaccines have transformed the picture, and I’m baffled by people gambling with other people’s lives. Children’s illnesses can be extremely dangerous for the vulnerable, and risky for lots of adults.The long-forgotten consequences of these childhood diseases have reemerged now vaccine levels dropped. If your child gets German measles, they can infect pregnant women, which might make the baby being blind, and with other conditions. Mumps - every year, new arrivals at University come from vaccine-avoiding homes. If they catch it then it is quite serious, and I believe may lead to infertility. Being cautious about a perceived risk may sometimes land you up to the neck in another problem.

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I can remember the hot summer of 1990 when I was a young lad of 28. Caught chicken pox off my baby daughter. Not an experience I would wish on any one. I vividly recall that the only relief was placing my head into a bucket of cold water for as long as I could stand it.

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It’s also known as Rubella - it’s called German measles because it was identified in Germany not because it originated there. I actually wondered if it was some kind of propaganda like China Virus but it seems legit.

In the 1950’s when I was a kid the only available vaccines were for polio and tuberculosis and I think that was still true in the 1970’s. I believe the MMR vaccine wasn’t introduced until the late 1980’s; a memory based solely on Tony Blair repeatedly refusing to say whether or not his children had been vaccinated.

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Whooping cough vaccine was introduced in the 50s in time for me to jave a jab. Didn’t we also have diptheria jab? I didn’t get my TB jab until I was early part of secondary school - 1965/66ish.

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I remember TB - called BCG and was some giant needle and the whole thing would blow up into a huge scab. Then we had to play rugby every week and it would get worse and worse. I still have a physical and mental scar from it, but no TB.

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I’d forgotten those. I guess I didn’t have a whooping cough jab as, according to my Mum, I got it at 3 months old so wouldn’t have needed one. TB jabs were always given at about 13/14 years old as it was most prevalent in young adults but I don’t recall having a diphtheria jab; perhaps I was preoccupied with an important football game or building a go cart or something that day.

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Children have a low risk of COVID-19 and are disproportionately harmed by precautions:

This is a very good read and might reassure people and even change some minds :

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And at least one of the polio doses was on a sugar cube.

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We had a skin test at school prior to the BCG to see if we needed one or not. I was probably around 13. I didn’t need the jab then as I had been innoculated as a small child, when TB was rife in Sydenham. A lovely lady who lived in our house had died of TB and my dad was very protective and I can remember him taking me for an x-ray in those mobile screening trucks that used to come to the area.

Measles was a terrible thing. My mum’s baby brother died of that. I cant understand why some people are so complacent that they don’t have their babies immunised. It’s a killer disease.

There was a bad epidemic of Scarlet Fever in Sydenham in Victorian times that led to some of our first building regs. Mount Ash Road and Mount Villas being some of the first buildings designed to meet them… now undone by the addition of extensions undoing much of the good of the Metropolitan Board of Health.

We don’t yet know the long term effects of Covid. It would be foolhardy to take risks.

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ugh I remember. I too still have a BCG scar. The school bullies would go round punching kids on the shoulder right where the big painful wound was. I can remember living in fear of that. The sicko’s

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