What would you want in a new greengrocers?

It would be nice to get Northern European dry goods and fresh german bread. I alone would keep you in business :slight_smile:

Hello, Just a good old traditional greengrocers would be good, Personally i think a lot of the Newer trendy shops cover the out of the ordinary requirements of the new trendy’s we have in the area now .
Just my thoughts .

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I agree but I think there is a reason why we dont see them opening. There is no money to be made or at least there isn’t a living to be made. I was speaking to a local shop keeper who also sells a little veg on the side and he laughed when I said he should get a greengrocers going too. He said that he made a few pennies on the veg and it was just there to get people through the door. Basically he said if you own your own shop then it might be doable but if not you would struggle to make the rent.
Hence the “trendy” approach or angle - you need to generate sales so sourdough breads and artisan coffee are punted to get folks through the door.
Might you I love sourdough and coffee so I’m fine with “trendy” whatever that means…

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I do love the idea of recipe bags and kits, but in a one person size. Eg a bag with all the necessaries for a one person stir fry, including a little sachet of the right sort of herbs and spices. Not those horrid bags you get in Sainsbury that are bulked out with stringy and tough things.

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Soup kits would be great too.

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When you see convenience stores selling veg outside from plastics bowls, it is generally a third party providing the service.

It wasn’t that sort of shop but I take your point in they are probably not getting the best price they can wholesale as it isn’t their main trade. However the lack of “traditional” fruit and veg shops seems to indicate that they would struggle to make a living paying London rates and rent. I’d love to see something like Staines Farm Shop in Whitstable which I can’t walk past without venturing inside…

I miss very much the best greengrocers in London, Newington Green Fruit and Veg, which has every kind of fruit and veg you could possibly want. Anyone wanting to open a greengrocers should check out their winning formula on Newington Green N16.

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I think that for these boutique food outlets/veg in a brown paper bag or any other independent outlet on the high street to survive there’d have to be a complete national reset on how people in this country view food. I’m continually amazed at how many people - especially in London - can’t boil an egg. On the continent they have more of an appreciation for cooking, how food is prepared, sourced (such as hunting) and recipes and techniques passed down through the generations. From what I can see that simply doesn’t exist on a scale large enough to support shops like the ones under discussion.

Here’s an example: Of all the celebrity chefs, I think Raymond Blanc is possibly the only chef that’s touched upon alternative sources for herbs besides those found in the supermarket. I know comparing the French countryside to that of Forest Hill is a bit of a stretch in terms of looking for healthy wild garlic, etc, but it betrays a completely different mindset than you get over here. The likes of Jamie Oliver seem to automatically direct their viewers towards the supermarkets, although I’m guessing backstage sponsorship deals between supermarkets and TV networks are responsible for that.

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Hugh Furley Whatshisname is pretty good as well.

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Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall?

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Second that. Newington Green greengrocers is brilliant!

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More of a farm shop poster boy if you ask me. What sort of chef - celebrity or otherwise - caves to anti hunting groups?

A good one hopefully. But then I just finished eating a locally shot venison burger so I am somewhat biased.:grin:

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Tastes much better than the farmed game you get in the supermarkets. I went bow hunting in the States when I was working there and deer taste a lot different when they’ve succumbed to massive blood loss as opposed to the shock of a bullet which floods the body with adrenaline.

Not sure about that. This was a head shot, the deer died instantly so no adrenaline.

Herb pots for the windowsill would be nice.
But I realize none of my suggestions is enough to make a living from.

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Many thanks for all the responses!

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Someone above referred to shopping patterns which I think is really relevant. In this lockdown period I am increasingly reluctant to do a big shop. Partly the faff but also it’s a bit soul destroying with messy/empty expanses of shelves. I feel I’m buying not shopping. I don’t want to linger. Hence enjoying the Marvellous Greens and Beans to shop - see what’s on offer and chat to the lovely staff. I’m lucky to be retired so post this awfulness I’ll still have choices to make but when lots of people are back on their hamster wheels will they?

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